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Blue God

Feb 17 2006, 07:59 PM

I just started working on it and I will still work on it until it is complete. It is a Zwerg and it stats are:

Zwerg Body:0
Zwerg 4-baller:+9
EMP Faust:+3
Maschinenpistole17:0
Zwei LFK System5:-12
Maschinegewehr9:-24 (finished)

Options
O.C. TS
1/16 Zwerg Model
Performance Wax HZ

Armor:53908
Speed:166.82
Jump:11.15
O.C. Time:120/40

It is not complete yet. I still need some major adjustments. Eventually this SV will be very good.

Red Orbit

Feb 18 2006, 11:12 AM

what are the final tunes you want to place this at?

Blue God

Feb 18 2006, 01:39 PM

Good question Orbit. I would like for the tunes to be.

Zwerg Body: -10 (the first tune to get 6 slots)
Zwerg 4-Baller: +17
Zwerg EMP Faust: +99 (for max EMP pain IMO)
Zwerg Maschinepistole17: +25
Zwerg Zwei LFK System5: -58
Zwerg Maschinengewehr9: -24

Option mods

O.C. TS
Zwerg Model 1/16
Performance Wax HZ
Reinforced Window
New SV Model Plans

I think the O.C. time will be 130/41 but I can't predict the rest of the stats.

I realized my mistake when I recalculated the weight by adding my chip's weight into the equation. I corrected it and these tunes are really my final tunes for Blitz.

Angry Raven X

Feb 18 2006, 06:00 PM

Machine pistols are pretty crappy until they're at +99. They stay around 1000 damage all the way up until about +90, and then at +99 they shoot up in the 3500 range. With a pistol it seems like +99 or not at all.

A lot of weapons don't get any weaker at -99 than they are at -50 or even -30. If you're going to -tune it, have you thought about tuning your Maschinengewehr9 all the way down to -99? I think it should be just as strong but a whole lot lighter (though it will only have 9 durability I think). Still the weight you save could be really helpfull. Same thing for your Zwei LFK5; I don't know much about the weapon but it might be nice to save extra weight and just go all the way to -99.

Red Orbit

Feb 18 2006, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Blue God @ Feb 18 2006, 12:39 PM)

Zwerg Body: -10 (the first tune to get 6 slots)
Zwerg 4-Baller: +9
Zwerg EMP Faust: +99 (for max EMP pain IMO)
Zwerg Maschinepistole17: +25
Zwerg Zwei LFK System5: -58
Zwerg Maschinengewehr9: -24

Option mods

O.C. TS
Zwerg Model 1/16
Performance Wax HZ
Reinforced Window
New SV Model Plans

just out of curiosity, what are your reasonings for the tuning you have? specifically the MP17, Zwei and MW9?

are you worried about durability values? I'm assuming the Zwei and MW9 sit at about 12/13 durability at those tunes, correct? And the MP17 at that tune to keep the weight of the module from getting too high?

imo, I don't think that duribility should be much of a concern, if you're building this sv for online battles. If you haven't noticed already, you'll see that they go by pretty quick, I'm refering to the speed of your sv to take down other svs (and need to leave the arena to reload/recoup health) and the speed at which you get taken down and get dropped back into battle =S

Also, in terms of your option modules, might I suggest dropping the model 1/16 for another new sv plans, and the reinforced window for another wax hz and the O.C. TS for a pair of co-proces 640s? (personally, I'm starting to run mainly just wax hz and 640s/T.M.s)

*edit* the more I look at thsi build the more I like it, how about tuning the MP17 and the MW9 both to +99, and the Zwei to -99 and body to -28? I think that hsould be a difference of about + 4 tons (trying to do the math in my head right now, option module changes not accounted for either) you will probably need to adjust the legs heavy, but with the 4-baller you should lose too much speed, seeing as it's base speed is 206 km/h

*2ndedit* there isn't much o.c. breaking here, which could be a problem, drop the zwei for a -99 granat if that bothers you, though if you play your cards right online and keep your eyes open for the 2 on 1 oppurtunities

then o.c. breakage should be much of a problem.

Take the SV online and adjust it to your playing style, there's not better advice to get then experience with playing a build.

Angry Raven X

Feb 19 2006, 12:04 AM

QUOTE

Also, in terms of your option modules, might I suggest dropping the model 1/16 for another new sv plans, and the reinforced window for another wax hz and the O.C. TS for a pair of co-proces 640s? (personally, I'm starting to run mainly just wax hz and 640s/T.M.s)

Beam wax? What a stupid idea! Naw, you don't need that, you're wasting sockets. Wax is worthless and everyone should stop equipping beam coat, no one uses lasers anyways...

Blue God

Feb 19 2006, 08:03 AM

QUOTE

Beam wax? What a stupid idea! Naw, you don't need that, you're wasting sockets. Wax is worthless and everyone should stop equipping beam coat, no one uses lasers anyways...

I think that the wax is worth while because the lasers are constant. I don't discriminate on every enemy I encounter. So I would use the wax to counter the laser. And besides, I like the wax anyways.

Blue God

Feb 19 2006, 08:21 AM

I suppose that the update on Blitz is now. The tunes are as of this time are:

Zwerg Body: -10 (I still need the SV plans to fill the 6th slot)
Zwerg 4-Baller: +9
Zwerg Maschinenpistole17: +25 (finished)

Zwerg EMP Faust: +22 (a lonng way to go)
Zwerg Maschinengewehr9: -24 (finished)

Zwerg Zwei LFK System5: -41

Options
O.C. TS (2 slots)
1/16 Zwerg Model
Performance Wax HZ
Reinforced Window

Armor:52481
Speed:167.63
Jump:11.17
O.C. Time:120/40

Blitz is nearer to completion and I am quite happy with the progress so far.

nedmech

Feb 20 2006, 10:01 AM

QUOTE (Blue God @ Feb 19 2006, 07:03 AM)

QUOTE

Beam wax? What a stupid idea! Naw, you don't need that, you're wasting sockets. Wax is worthless and everyone should stop equipping beam coat, no one uses lasers anyways...

I think that the wax is worth while because the lasers are constant. I dicriminate on every enemy I encounter. So I would use the wax to counter the laser. And besides, I like the wax anyways.

LoL. For those than didn't catch it, ARX was being extremely sarcastic, there. He runs a very deadly laser-equipped Proton online as P.Ferman, so the more people he can convince not to use Beam Coat, the more easy targets for him. hehe

thirteen37

Feb 20 2006, 10:18 AM

... thus we enter the next level of the metagame. For every player he can convince to pack SV Wax instead of Bonsai, Nedmech will shift the balance of power in favor of his powerful but rapid-fire Diavolos.

Me, I just count myself lucky that people don't know the truth of Deluxe Alarm Clock.

Angry Raven X

Feb 20 2006, 10:32 AM

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... thus we enter the next level of the metagame.

Yes. Yes, it seems we have. Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Red Herring. I'll see you in Hell.

Blue God

Feb 20 2006, 03:03 PM

I don't really care about the balance of power thing because I always try to make top-quality SVs out there. That doesn't mean that there will be no weaknesses for them. I also want to say to stop fighting in the topic. It is a hangar, not a discussion.

Angry Raven X

Feb 20 2006, 04:54 PM

Sorry for spamming your topic. We were joking though, not fighting.

Blue God

Feb 23 2006, 07:13 PM

I finished Blitz with the body modifications. Its final tunes are:

Zwerg Body: -10 (to get 6 slots)
Zwerg 4-Baller: +17 (the first tune to be normal weight)
Zwerg EMP Faust: +99 (I am amazed at the damage

)
Zwerg Maschinenpistole17: +25
Zwerg Zwei LFK System5: -58
Zwerg Maschinengewehr9: -24

Paint: Hero's mech from Japanese anime
Decal: A lightning bolt in a black dot. (Front of SV)

Options (needs New SV Model Plans)
O.C. TS (2 slots)
1/16 Zwerg Model
Preformance Wax HZ
Reinforced Window

I think that I am proud to tune it because I get the chance to tune the SVs to fit my style and I can adapt to many styles at will if there are needs for it to be done.

thirteen37

Feb 24 2006, 06:32 AM

It's a good build, I have one a lot like it... but why are you leaving things half-tuned?

The Maschinengewehr9 and Zwei LFK aren't going to lose much (if any) more damage as you tune farther Light. They are just going to get lighter and gain ammo... a purely winning situation.

SMG's have unique tuning behaviour. They're really unimpressive all the way up to +90; 144 ammo @ 1200 damage... not impressive considering the long reload... SVabwehr kanone5 is more damaging even tuned to the minimum! If you tune all the way to +99, SMG's do over 3000 damage a hit with 100 ammo or more which is amazing for the wieght, never mind the huge boost to armor.

Options: try using a large number of Deluxe Alarm Clock

Blue God

Feb 24 2006, 07:34 AM

I build SVs in my own perference. I also look over the options in the Brady guide to see what I can see the Sv with. I always envision the SV to be fitted with the mods that will be good for the SV. I then think of the stats for the weapon and to see if it fits the SV. That means that if a weapon is half tuned like the Zwei, and it is good for me, then I will make it stay. So it really just on what I am comfortable with the SV for it tunes & mods.

thirteen37

Feb 24 2006, 07:54 AM

Well any time you want to test your preferences online, let me know. I've got the parts for a copy with full tuning, although the 4Ball legs I've got are tuned heavier than necessary.

Blue God

Apr 12 2006, 09:28 AM

I finally got and placed the New SV Model plans in Blitz. The SV is now 100% complete. The tunes for the mods are still the same. I just needed the option mod for the finishing touch on the SV.

Blue God

Jul 17 2006, 12:38 PM

I was having a problem with Blitz and the problem is that I usually spin around too much on the 4-Baller. I decided to do something about it and here are the tunes for Blitz:

Zwerg Body: -10 (the first tune to get 6 slots)
Zwerg 2-Legs: -6 (to prevent it from overweighing itself)
Zwerg Maschinepistole17: +25
Zwerg EMP Lahmung Faust: +99
Zwerg Maschinengewehr9: -24
Zwerg Zwei LFK System 5: -58

Paint: Hero Mech Paint Kit
Decal: No.221 on the front

Options
O.C. TS (2 slots)
1/16 Zwerg Model
Performance Wax HZ
Reinforced Window
New SV Model Plans

Stats
Armor: 50782
Weight/Payload: 20.93/21.00
Speed: 142.24
Jump: 14.90
O.C. Time: 130/42

This Zwerg is better because it is more responsive and it doesn't really spin around too much anymore. What do you think about the legs?

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