At first I thought this skill was nothing but a crock of shit. But then the other day I was playing around with the elints shoulder launcher. I figured I needed a support shoulder weapon with a big enough blast to flush out the optic camo just about the only choice for the elint is the T64.

Keep in mind, I was using a Bird chip so the damage of the missile had a considerable increase. However, the birds have a very crappy analysis, which at the time I didn't mind.

Anyways, there came a time when I wanted to use the missile to pop a SVs camo. I fired one shot into the ground beneath his feet. The wave of the blast definitely encompassed but his OC didn't go down.

'hmm', I thought, 'That’s strange, I didn't see his force field activate. I guess I'll just fire more missiles at him.'

I proceeded to fire every missile I had at him so that they would hit the ground or wall and encompass him in the blast. I must have fired thirty missiles at him and not a single one of them knocked out his OC. For the rest of the match, I ran around trying to break OC but not once did I ever succeed.

Then I started to think back and I realized that there have been plenty of times when I have hit an SV and his cloak didn't break. I just always assumed that his protect field activated. And I defiantly know that I have never been hit by a blast from the AI and not had my OC break. Maybe this is one more buff that the AI gets to try and 'even up' the game.

Well anyways. I'm curious to know what everyone else thinks. Right now I am pretty freaked out, I haven't touched SLAI since that incident. What gets me pissed off the most is that I spent over a million credits to tune a mod that doesn't do what I want it to do.

Are you referring to online or single player? I wonder if this stat has a big percentage effect on the destruction of OC. For instance, a 1.0 analysis breaks oc 1% of the time while a 99.99 analysis breaks oc 99.99% of the time. If so, this stat may be better than I originally thought.

Um, does anyone realize how significant this is?

I don't? I mentioned this when I first found out, so I haven't been trying to hide anything. The only reason I bring it up here is because I'm curious if missile blasts share the same problem: They don't uncloak people because they don't do any damage or register a hit. I haven't tested, but I'm assuming this is the case.

I thought we'd already found out that jump enhancing option mods don't do anything?

I really don't think the Analysis skill has anything to do with % chance of an attack unloaking the other guy.

No, according to the battle school, the chip is supposed to have complete control of these functions.

That makes since, for a non-online game like PC leave the developer codes (I found them by the way) in or taking them out makes little difference. But for a web based game those code must be erased or locked up to stop serious charector packing. since this game has a sort a ladder system it make even more neccesary.

I'm sorry, what is this? I play PC for xbox and hadn't heard about this at all, what exactely is it?

What is the key series of repeating terms? Targets are referred to as having active OC for Analysis to function. Striking an opponent to uncloak them is never mentioned. The description is talking about seeing people who are currently cloaked.

This is relevant because I finally decided to start messing about with Matalina, a Rat-1, tonight. Rat-1s actually begin with slightly better Analysis than Rat-2s, but needless to say since Boo (my Rat-2) is almost fully matured his Analysis is much higher. What I noticed is that I couldn't see cloaked enemies as easily. With Boo (who has the highest Analysis of all my current Chips), it's immediately easy to detect even a stationary enemy; the blurred outline of an SV is clearly visible, one can even tell the make and model with some experience. Mata didn't resolve this level of detail even with me right on top of the enemy. If the opponent was stationary, red gunsights were the only warning they were there, even at literally point-blank (i.e. collision) range.

What if Analysis has nothing to do with uncloaking enemies at all, but simply seeing them more clearly while they're cloaked, thus making it easier to aim your anti-OC fire more effectively?

Let's experiment with this. I need sleep for now but have time tomorrow. I will update as able.

It could well be experience, as I haven't noticed it come into play much at a low level.
I tend to be able to spot cloaked enemies even at fairly long ranges, but I've had a lot of Phantom Crash play-time to "get my eye in", which may account for it.

That said, I think Ky Kiske may be on to something.

It always works at 75 meters. No chip is lower, no chip is higher.

About multiple enemies, I don't think so, but I can't accurately test it, as split screen only lets me control 2 SVs at a time, so I can't say that with authority.

You don't get arrows for visible opponents, they just put up their name/health bar instead. If you can see them you don't need an arrow.

Arrows come up for people who are off screen but within 180 degrees of your field of view, and within 75 meters of you. The scout and analysis skills do not change this. Radar is 4 arrows pointing in, which means someone (or more than 1 person) is in your field of view and cloaked, or an arrow pointing off in one direction, which means they're to that side (and can detect someone cloaked or not), and you don't get any detection behind you. I personally still don't have any theories on analysis or scout.

This only works when they are pretty close, if you can see them but they're over a certain distance away, no health bar/name appears, thus you have to guess who it you're shooting.
Not always a nice thing to have to do, especially if the Ranker is running around and you're running low on ammo.

If an enemy is out of visual arc, cloaked or not, you get an arrow for them; you said this yourself. However, visible or not, the Bird would display only one arrow. A high-level Rat displays many more. I don't agree with your findings on range, but admit to a lack of numerical data, as AIs won't hold still to let you glance at a rangefinder. It's a feeling thing. Possibly it has to do with the test fields; Master rumbles are much more chaotic than C-ranks. Neither is more populous than the other but MC fights "feel" much more crowded.

I do know you're wrong about multiple arrows though (no offense).

Right. 75 meters is when it starts working.

Right. What I meant by 'visible' was 'on screen', sorry.

I just grabbed a level 0 Lizard chip, it's popping up as many arrows as there are people around me. The only people who don't get arrows are people who are 'behind' me: not within the radar's 180 degree field of view. I've seen 4 off-screen indicator arrows with that chip. The radar is working the same way as my Rat chip. I'm not sure I understand the problem you're having with your bird chip. If people are in front of you and uncloaked, arrows don't come up for that person. If people are in front of you and are cloaked, then that center display of 4 arrows pointing toward the center fills in. If people are off-screen to your side (but not behind you) an arrow shows up pointing to which edge of the screen they're at, and each off-screen enemy gets their own arrow. If Analysis or Scout affected the number of opponents radar could detect, I think people would have noticed this almost right away when we were all using e-chips and training our first chips.

About range, sweepers/dusters in the trial run are relatively easy to check rough numbers, and if you have a second controller you can just use any of the premade SVs in split screen VS, or use one premade and one of your own if you want to make sure with a max chip, it won't take long to see they all have radar ranges of 75 meters.

No, because an E-Chip actually has a very good native threat-detection profile. Its Scout score is 75.00 and Analysis is 45.00. For comparative purposes, my L420 Wolf-2 Chip has 73 Scout and 56 Analysis, basically "just" competitive with an E-Chip. I'm surprised to hear of your Lizard detecting so many enemies at once. IIRC one of thirteen37's complaints with Liz Chips is that they are pretty weak in threat-detection skills.

I think this is another area on which we must agree to disagree. I do speculate that splitscreen mode may have different radar performance parameters than fullscreen 1P and online modes, but admit this is speculative only of course. It's one of those things where I wish Genki had some sort of "all things revealed" stats and definitions guide for SLAI.

Right. The difference between going from the E-chip, to our first n00b chips.